Time to Talk Contract?

August 13, 2009 | 9:47 am | 23  

At what point do the Rockies need to address the status of general manager Dan O’Dowd.

His contract is up at the end of the year.

Should he be given a multi-year extension?

Should the Rockies wait until season’s end?

Is now the time to move forward?

Should he continue as the general manager, but without a contract?

Should a change be made?

What’s your opinion and why?



  • Jason | August 13, 2009 | 10:33 am

    I believe O’Dowd has always done a great job. I have been impressed with some of his “minor” deals such as: Eli Marrero for Kaz Matsui plus cash, Ramon Ramirez for Jorge De La Rosa, Jason Hammels for a fringe prospect, etc. O’dowd was able to get a good haul for Holliday. He was able to unload Mike Hampton’s and Jeff Cirrillo’s contracts (and also net Brian Fuentes at the same time) and he cleverly works the 40 man roster. They have been able to develop players and sign their core players to fair contracts (Francis, Cook, Tulo, Hawpe, etc). I was also impressed with the Biemel and Betancourt trades. Of course he made some moves I didn’t agree with (primarily dumping Jamey Carrol without any proven second base help). However, we need to lock him up asap. :)

  • figmon | August 13, 2009 | 10:38 am

    2 years ago I wasn’t so sure about O’Dowd. However the trades & moves he’s made since then have been (for the most part) good ones.
    I say give him a 2-year extension. This team could be dominant in the NL West with just a couple more of the right pieces.

  • reader f/k/a Mike | August 13, 2009 | 10:52 am

    O’Dowd should be re-signed; at this point he’s an underrated GM. I wonder if there’s anyone who thinks he should be let go.

    He had a rough start when he first came on, but since 2004 or whenever the rebuilding effort went into full effect, he’s appeared to execute the ownership’s plan about as well as one can. There have been some draft controversies but thus far the development of young players has been superb. Who was the last prospect who didn’t make it? There have been some pitcher injuries, and then JD Closser (and given that he hasn’t had as much of a cup of coffee since tells me he probably wasn’t much of a prospect to begin with). The trades in recent years for complementary players have been really good.

    As to timing, I guess it depends on the nature of these things. If negotiations can be as contentious as players’ negotiations, wait until the off-season to prevent distractions. Then again, the off-season work starts up in a hurry. When does the deal actually expire?

  • reader f/k/a Mike | August 13, 2009 | 11:09 am

    Other recent trades (since 2005), besides Jason’s list:

    -Charles Johnson and Narveson for BH Kim. Meh. Teams trading headaches/contracts. Worth a shot to see if Kim could regain his past glory.

    -Chacon netted RamRam, who had a good rookie yr, then was dealt for DLR

    -Joe Kennedy and Jay Witasick for Eric Byrnes and Quintanilla; Byrnes was then dealt for Bigbie with the though of getting catcher Kelly Shoppach from the Red Sox. So-so original deal, but it would have worked out had the Sox trade gone through.

    -Bigbie and Miles for Ray King. Meh. Spare parts for so-so lefty. At least we all felt a lot better about our waistlines.

    -Marcos Carvajal for Torrealba

    -Jamey Carroll acquired for cash considerations (according to mlbtraderumors)

    -Shealy and Dohmann for Jeremy Affeldt. Spare parts for a good year out of the reliever

    -Jason Jennings for Buchholz, Hirsh, and Taveras. Good even though Hirsh got hurt and Willy didn’t play well in Coors as expected.

    -Jim Miller and Jason Burch for Rodrigo Lopez. Lopez barely lasted half the season, but another good small deal. They add up. Looks like Miller might still show up at some point (he’s a AAA reliever for the Orioles).

    -Zach Simons for Grilli

    and of course:

    -Luis Vizcaino for Marquis

  • Karl | August 13, 2009 | 11:11 am

    I like the idea of signing him to three years with a mutual option for a 4th. It’s enough of security for both parties (O’Dowd and Monforts) but then also keeps both motivated to make sure things stay fresh in their collective approaches while giving time to achieve said goals.

    I think the trades he has made have panned out well for the most part and the culture that has been created has shown that players can come here and expect to contend. This is no longer the place for high averages, ERA’s and home runs, it’s for winning and well rounded team play.

    I think that has worked and should be recognized. I hope O’Dowd still feels challenged here and still has the fire to stay in Colorado. Personally after living all over, I don’t know why he would want to leave, but that’s his decision if they can’t come to a fair deal.

  • Wayne | August 13, 2009 | 11:37 am

    I think at this point, if the season ended now, he would be in line for executive of the year award. Rockies should pile up on some awards, besides O’Dowd. Helton for comeback player should be a lock. Tracy for manager of the year should get considerable consideration. Wait until the end of the season and give him a 2 or 3 year extension. Also, while I wasn’t a Tracy fan before, because he did well in LA with a good club and poorly in Pitt with a sub-par group. However, his style and strategy are convincing me that he is a very good manager who gets the most out of his players. I think he deserves a nice contract also.

  • Townie | August 13, 2009 | 11:46 am

    I think you have to take care of O’Dowd before the end of the season. I wouldn’t want to chance him sniffing around any openings that might become available. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Mets and or Cubs were looking for a new GM this offseason and those would be enticing for any GM with experience.

    I think a 3-4 year deal is fair.

  • jjzdad0830 | August 13, 2009 | 12:05 pm

    Yes and here is why;

    1. Management spending constraints have led to the home grown nature of the team.
    2. The depth of talent in the farm system seems impressive – credit DOD
    3. 2008 results would have looked much different had Jeff Francis replicated his 2007 results or even had 10 more wins. Blame the baseball gods.
    4. Trades have generally been positive
    a. Jason Jennings for Taveras, Hirsch and Buckholtz – credit DOD
    b. Holiday for Smith, Gonzalez and Street – credit DOD (better than a draft choice or two)
    c. Brian Fuentes coming and going – Street a great financial bargin – credit DOD
    d. Bettencort for – who cares – credit DOD
    e. Biemel for who cares – credit DOD
    5. Not firing Hurdle sooner – some blame to DOD but the owners and KM deserve some blame here too.
    6. Winning team – attendance up – team makes more money – some credit to DOD
    7. Staying out of Jim Tracy’s way – credit DOD

    At the end of the day we are 12 games over .500 and on a pace to win over 90 games. The farm system is well stocked and winning, too. Doesn’t Dan get some credit here? He’s played the hand he’s been dealt well enough to be invited back to the table – 2 years at a minimum and I’d look to go 5 years if it can be done affordably.

  • Jack | August 13, 2009 | 12:46 pm

    Is it possible to reneg the monfronts contract?

  • reader f/k/a Mike | August 13, 2009 | 1:24 pm

    Helton for comeback player should be a lock.

    There’s a lot of season left, but you should take a look at Chris Carpenter.

  • Jack | August 13, 2009 | 2:35 pm

    In all seriousness I would resign him.

    Speaking of signing…any progress on Matzek? IMO they have got to sign him even if it’s for 7 million. The kid is a potential ace and those type of pitchers don’t come around very often…especially lefty’s.

  • Joseph | August 13, 2009 | 3:29 pm

    I say sign him and sign him now. What more could the Monfort’s possibly want or expect from their GM? Any idea whether he wants to sign? He might prefer to test the waters. Which is why they should sign him now if they can.

  • E | August 13, 2009 | 4:29 pm

    Dan odowd has to be brought back or the team we have now won’t be any longer. Usually when you change gms the new gm is to fix the team and they usually have to get rid of underperforming players and right now I really don’t think we have too many underperformers and he has built us a terrific farm system and hopefully that helps us continue to have strong records in years to come

  • Drew S. | August 13, 2009 | 4:35 pm

    Had this been a post in May I would have said get rid of him. Its funny what winning does to change minds. I say lock him up. He clearly knows what works best for his ballclub and that is build from within and acquire outside players to strengthen the team.

  • Tom | August 13, 2009 | 5:45 pm

    Ask Jim Tracy. Whatever he says, that’s what we do. I mean, I can’t help but notice that the Rockies are the best team in the NL since Tracy took over. Nothing else really changed…

  • Robb | August 13, 2009 | 9:02 pm

    Sign him for 3 years. He has done a nice job for the most part. Anybody new who comes in will blow things up so that they can have the manager, players, scouts, etc, that they want. With Atkins and Torrealba both gone after this year, I think the savings can be used to sign Matzek and even a decent free agent or two. Is it too crazy to think they can still bring Matty H back? He is not going to get the $150 million contract Boras wants, so would he settle for $80-90 million over 5-6 years from Rockies? I would hope so.

  • Jeff | August 13, 2009 | 9:45 pm

    I think he should stay, too. But I think part of the negotiations should include a discussion of the Jacob Cruz for Josh Bard and Jody Gerut. And how about Kimera Bartee for Chone Figgins?

  • Erik | August 14, 2009 | 6:18 am

    Under O’Dowd the Rockies have developed an identity and a way of doing business. There seems to be a synergy in the organization from ownership on down. I think back to the difference between the Hampton and Neagle days to now. The Rockies now have a defined idea of what they can/will do and don’t stray from it. O’Dowd’s deals aren’t as sexy as the ones you see from the teams on the coasts but you have to admit he gets value for the resources he has to work with.

  • reader f/k/a Mike | August 14, 2009 | 9:24 am

    But I think part of the negotiations should include a discussion of the Jacob Cruz for Josh Bard and Jody Gerut. And how about Kimera Bartee for Chone Figgins?

    O’Dowd made a lot of questionable moves before the last Blake Street Bomber (Walker) was finally moved. In addition to those trades you mention, he signed (I believe–this happened while he was GM) Neagle, Hampton, and the giant Helton extension, and the Rockies had little to show for it in terms of wins. He and the Rockies were laughingstocks for looking like they changed their plans every 90 days.

    If O’Dowd had have been fired around 2002/2003, no one would have been surprised, yet he was re-signed. Who knows how much a part of the formulation of the GenR “plan” he was, or if it was even a plan or just dumb luck dictated by the tightening of purse strings. Nevertheless, since that started, his record is excellent–see the trades Jason listed in the first comment, or the ones I added, or look him up on MLBTraderumors and review them all. The team is well-rounded with good depth, and has had success.

    Post-2003 Dan looks pretty good and has earned his extension this time around.

  • Brian H | August 14, 2009 | 2:46 pm

    It goes deeper than that.

    O’Dowd needs to be locked up, as does Jim Tracy. I think Tracy has earned the right to remove that interim tag.

  • eyeinthesky | August 14, 2009 | 9:18 pm

    It clear you folks on here are just fair weather fans. Let me fix this issue now BILL GEIVETT needs to be the GM, he has built this program/minor league system. Do your homework…where did Jim Tracy come from??

  • Robert | August 15, 2009 | 1:47 am

    I don’t know how much a GM has to do with a minor league system or with the drafing of players. But if O’Dowd is primarily resposible for many of the great home-grown players on the Rox, and in the minors, he deserves a big-time extension. The reason the Rockies are successful is mostly because of our quality home-grown talent, which is what seperates teams like the Rockies and the Twins from teams like the Pirates or the Royals. So if O’Dowd is the reason we have so much minor league talent, I say lock him up long term.

  • Al | August 16, 2009 | 9:16 pm

    I think we should lock him up and extend Tracy’s contract too. Probably three years for each one.