Comments on: Rockies balk at price for Garland, trade for Contreras

By: Tracy Ringolsby

Tracy Ringolsby — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:22:22 +0000

Agbayani, even a source other than myself, a source that is constantly critical of the Rockies fianncial efforts, has changed its direction on Garland, and pens today:

“The Rockies made an aggressive push for Garland, but couldn’t agree on the player to be traded. Garland will start Thursday against his former Arizona Diamondbacks teammates.”

This same media entity on Monday night and Tuesday morning was claiming the deal fell through over finances. Maybe for once there is truth to the report.

By: Agbayani

Agbayani — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:20:48 +0000

Thanks, Tracy, for the comments about Byrnes and O’Dowd. I think you may be onto something there.

At any rate, I think there is a baseball justification for the move. But of course money has something to do with it. If Contreras and Garland project to be pretty darn equal for September 2009 (and, to my surprise, they pretty much do), then why blow $2.5 million on either one? I’m just urging Rox management to tell it to us straight rather than peddling the “money wasn’t a consideration” line. We Rockies fans are big boys; we can handle the truth.

By: Reader f/k/a Mike

Reader f/k/a Mike — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:46:08 +0000

Ah, thanks Tracy.

By: Tracy Ringolsby

Tracy Ringolsby — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:28:33 +0000

The folks at mlb.com update that roster without any guidance from the teams or major league office so when Contreras was acquired he was put on the roster. That is not an official Major League roster. Understand the Rockies do not have to create a roster spot for Contreras until he arrives, which will be tomorrow. As a result nothing has to be done ot create a roster spot for him until then.

By: Reader f/k/a Mike

Reader f/k/a Mike — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:04:22 +0000

Greg, isn’t it odd to have the transaction posted that Contreras was acquired via trade on the 31st, and have him appear on the 40-man, but not to have the corresponding 40-man move posted?

It makes sense the roster moves that correspond to adding Giambi and Phillips weren’t announced until today, as those two were added to the roster today.

In fact, the 3rd roster move still hasn’t posted. Am I just counting wrong?

By: Reader f/k/a Mike

Reader f/k/a Mike — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:59:19 +0000

Agbayani–I meant career norms in terms of the difference with bases empty vs. runners on. He’s always been worse with runners on, but not like this year.

By: WillM

WillM — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:23:44 +0000

Contreras FIP = 4.2

By: Tracy Ringolsby

Tracy Ringolsby — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:02:18 +0000

Mike,
Is it management propoganda or rather trying to put information together and see a big picture overview? Would it be better to you if I were to write one week that the wild-card race is over and the Rockies have clinched it, and two weeks later write that they can’t win the wild card because of their offense? And of course all of that comes three months after I could have written that the season was over and the Rockies were a disappointment.
Now would that be better balanced because it was based off emotional reactions as opposed to try and sort through infomation, present it and allow you as a reader to draw a conclusion without feeling that I have to tell you how to think?

By: Tracy Ringolsby

Tracy Ringolsby — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:29:10 +0000

Maybe some of it has to do with Josh Byrnes running things in Arizona. I don’t know. He seems to have hard feelings toward O’Dowd ever since he went to Boston, and don’t forget he was the central figure when the Bigbie fiasco came about. I have noticed that when lengthy pieces about Byrnes are written in different cities he will talk about how much he owes the folks in Boston and Cleveland, but never mentions a word about O’Dowd, even though O’Dowd gave him his first job, helped him earn promotions in Cleveland and then brought him to Colorado as the assistant GM.

I also can tell you that from Arizona people I was told that the money was not the issue with the Rockies, but rather the issue was the player the Dbacks wanted and the Rockies refused to part with.

By: Greg Stanwood

Greg Stanwood — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:14:37 +0000

Karl and Reader FKA Mike,

The moves simply haven’t been announced yet, so they website cannot update until it knows what happened. Contreras is active (as will be Giambi and phillips by the end of the day), meaning by the time the game starts tonight, we will know what moves have been made.

Three 40 man roster changes need to be made for these three players to be activated.