Diamondbacks add Baylor, Young to coaching staff

October 26, 2010 | 4:38 pm | 23  

The Arizona Diamondbacks have added former Colorado Rockies hitting coach Don Baylor and former Rockies second baseman Eric Young Sr. to their coaching staff for the 2011 season.

Baylor served as the Rockies hitting coach during the 2009 and 2010 seasons but the team decided not to bring him back for 2011, replacing him with former Colorado Springs hitting coach Carney Lansford. Baylor, who had been offered a special assistant job in the Rockies organization, will be Arizona’s hitting coach under manager Kirk Gibson.

Young will be the the Diamondbacks’ first-base coach.

Read more about the Diamondbacks’ coaching moves here.

23 Comments »

  • ProgMatinee | October 26, 2010 | 5:17 pm

    I’m not a fan of the DBacks organization. They just seem to make a lot of dumbfounded moves recently. Hate to see local guys leave for that particular organization…not that I wanted to retain Baylor, but wish he got a job elsewhere.

  • Cameo | October 26, 2010 | 7:13 pm

    I’m happy Baylor went to AZ, cuz I just don’t think he’s a good hitting coach. He sure didn’t seem to help the Rox. If he has the same affect on the D-backs young hitters then the that should really help the Rox. LOL. EY senior though kinda stinks. He’s a true Rockie at heart, why go to the D-backs? He obviously just wants to get into coaching and he got offered a coaching job at the big league level. I’m sure he will help out their base stealers when and if they get to first.

  • GARY | October 27, 2010 | 3:02 am

    Prog and all others who have been calling for Baylor’s head-hope this doesn’t come back and bite us in the you know what!Weird choice for the snakes who struck out even more than ROX,yet all on this site spend all year complaining about Rox SO’S,and failure to put ball in play.Strange!

  • Yampa ja | October 27, 2010 | 6:47 am

    As a kid I watched Don play for the Rochester Red Wings. Good luck Don.

  • Rich M | October 27, 2010 | 8:34 am

    Not exactly the hitting coach that I would have hired to fix the excessive strikeouts in the dessert, but good luck with this move DBacks.

    Although from another perspective, I think this is a similar hire as J Tracy was for the Rockies. If Gibson stumbles (and don’t think that he will) then they will have a builtin replacement for the managerial position.

    Whenever I get frustrated (and I often do) by the Rockies moves and decisions (and non-moves), I simply look to the DBacks for some solice and comfort – as in how to really screw things up.

  • ProgMatinee | October 27, 2010 | 8:44 am

    Gary, saying we struck out less than they did isn’t something to be proud of. It may or may not work for the Dbacks. I really don’t know. They may be the type of lineup that is fine cranking out a ton of homeruns even if it means striking out a lot. IMO thats not the direction that best serves Colorado.

    The Rockies succeed when they put men on base and allow the talented hitters to drive them in. Force teams to play defense, especially at wide open Coors Field. Don Baylor vs Carney Lansford? If their coaching philosophy is anything like their personal batting philosophy I’ll take Carney on this squad. Knowing Carney had success with the 3 players that are underachieving, that makes it even better hire.

    Back to the Diamondbacks, Charles Nagy, EY, Alan Trammell, Matt Williams, Kurt Gibson…maybe I don’t want to admit getting older but man, I had all those guy’s baseball cards! Its hard to imagine them all coaching, let alone on 1 team.

    Have these guys been paying their dues coaching in the minors? I wonder what a better track to being an MLB manager is, being hired as a coach on an MLB squad or toiling in the minors like Ryan Sandberg?

  • ProgMatinee | October 27, 2010 | 8:51 am

    oh and I guess sandberg would say, “it’s ryne not ryan”. lol

  • Mike Raysfan | October 27, 2010 | 4:34 pm

    I have no clue if Lansford will have any better results than Baylor. Much like Rockie’s fans have their opinion about Baylor, there was a general fan consensus on how well Lansford did while in the Giants organization.

    Since many on here seem to enjoy stats, here are some Giant’s stats, from various sources, while under the tutelage of Carney Lansford:

    1)Giants ranked 29th – 2008 and 26th – 2009 in runs scored

    2)Giants ranked 24th – 2008 and 30th – 2009 in OBP

    3)Giants ranked 28th – 2008 and 30th – 2009 in OPS

    4)Giants ranked 27th – 2008 and 30th – 2009 in walks

  • Cameo | October 27, 2010 | 6:27 pm

    They just said on the WS telecast that Bengie Molina will get a ring no matter what team wins. Referring to the fact he got traded from the Giants to the Rangers. So you’re telling me that Molina gets traded in July, yet he still gets a ring if the Giants win the WS? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard if that’s the case.

  • GARY | October 28, 2010 | 4:11 am

    Cameo,Molina isn’t only one.Pitcher in trade-Ray-has played for both and could be in line for ring no matter who wins.Yampa Ja,I too saw Baylor play for Red Wings.Had”Knothole Gang Pass”in grade school.Were Baltimore farm club in 50s/60s,so saw “BOOG”Powell,Mark Belanger,Baylor and many more.Think my last game at old Norton St.park was sometime mid 60′s.

  • Rocky | October 28, 2010 | 9:27 am

    I’ll take the side of those happy to see Baylor in Az. It just seems logical to me that a team with the same basic on base problems as the Rockies would have picked a hitting coach with a different track record than Baylor. Go figure.

    Sorry to sound so mean, but I hope he bombs there too.

    Go Rockies.

  • Eric G. | October 28, 2010 | 10:16 am

    To all of the Don Baylor haters, going off of the stats Mike Raysfan showed for Lansford and the Giants, here are some stats for the Rockies and Baylor in 2009.

    Runs Scored – 6th in MLB

    OBP – 6th in MLB

    OPS – 4th in MLB

    BB – 2nd in MLB

    Also wanted to add they were ranked 1st in MLB in Sac Flies.

    Maybe Baylor wasn’t the problem this year. Maybe the players need to look in the mirror and do some reevaluating. Every one thinks they are a power hitter on this team.

  • ProgMatinee | October 28, 2010 | 4:09 pm

    I agree that the players are ultimately to blame. But if they aren’t going to package struggling hitters for hitters via trade…which is painfully obvious the Rockies don’t do, the only option is to fire their coach.

    It would be silly to think that without anything changing that those mentioned would improve without motiviation or change.

    Atkins, Hawpe, Barmes, Stewart, Iannetta, Smith have all degraded under Baylor’s watch.

  • Miketober | October 28, 2010 | 9:14 pm

    It’s the poor situational hitting that bothered me (although some of that is on Mgr Tracy – to bunt or not to bunt). Also poor adaptation to how the other team is pitching you and poor communication. Is the ump calling a generous zone? If so don’t take close pitches. The coaches should be a conduit for that kind of communication.
    Bye bye Don. May your team hit well when you play LA and SF.

  • konaman | October 29, 2010 | 8:50 am

    Good stats Eric G, but don’t forget Baylor may not be around come spring as he is throwin his hat in for every Mgrs job out there.

  • Rocky | October 29, 2010 | 11:46 am

    I don’t see Baylor as a scapegoat. I see him as a hitting coach who maybe missed an opportunity to fix some very big issues with players who are touted as having huge major league potential. Stewart, Barmes etc… When you see players like these making the same mistakes over and over again, and continually struggling at the plate you have to wonder how they are being coached, and if maybe that coaching method is working.

  • Wayne | October 29, 2010 | 12:37 pm

    I do not see him as a scapegoat either, however I do see him as someone who the players have tuned out. As has been pointed out numerous times, the players who seemed to need the most coaching and advice were the players who Baylor did not seem to reach (and for the most part neither did Tracy). So I would agree with Eric G, there needs to be some self evaluating by the players. However, the coach needs to do everything possible to reach the players, and near the end of the season Baylor looked like he knew they had tuned him out.

  • ProgMatinee | October 29, 2010 | 1:08 pm

    If you think about it, the players HAVE paid the price for their inability to hit.

    Atkins-Gone
    Hawpe-Gone
    Iannetta-Demoted to AAA
    Fowler-Demoted to AAA
    Barmes-Probably gone or severe paycut
    Smith-Rumored to have lost starting position
    Stewart-Split time with aging Melvin Mora

    Where else was there to go? Hitting coach pretty much had to be the next move unless you want to cut or trade more.

  • Karl | October 29, 2010 | 1:48 pm

    Good synopsis Prog…hopefully CLans gets through to those that are still here next year and a solid right handed cornerstone bat is able to balance out the lefties and prove to also make other better.

    Could be an interesting next two weeks in Rockies organization, will they make a move after the series or play wait and see on the market?

  • Eric G. | October 29, 2010 | 5:41 pm

    Play wait and see on the market.

  • Rich M | October 30, 2010 | 9:15 am

    When successful AA hitters become marginal MLB hitters on a consistent basis, it has to either be the wrong talent or some really questionable MLB hitting coach. Sorry Mr.Baylor but I think it is the second of those possibilities.

    It seems most of the Rockies AA prospect position players are now really struggling with the bat at the big league level – Young, Fowler, Stewart, Iannetta, etc. Yes those AA batting averages should drop 25 points or so when they arrive at MLB level, but they should not drop 100 points.

    Or maybe its just alot easier to project success from pitchers than hitters from AA performance? Aw ha I know its that darn hummidor!

  • Steve Foster | October 30, 2010 | 1:26 pm

    For both pitchers and hitters statistics are only one measurement and are often very misleading. Particularly for hitters, stats only tell part of the story. Someone could hit .290 with 25 home runs and 90 RBI at Double-A and it looks like he’s a prospect until you realize that he did it by hitting .210 against future major-league pitchers and .370 against guys who don’t have major-league stuff. His numbers are good at a glance, but when he has to play a full season against only pitchers good enough to make the majors, those numbers will take a steep nosedive. Brad Eldred is a good example of someone who has hit well in the minors but just can’t handle the offspeed and breaking stuff that make major-leaguer pitchers major leaguers. The Arizona Fall League, however, is actually a decent predictor of success because very few organizational types play in the AFL — but even there you have to take other variables like age and previous experience into consideration. (Thomas Field, for example, is playing against players who have mostly played at AA and AAA while he has never played above single-A. Last year, Wilin Rosario was one of the youngest players in the league.) Statistics can be misleading and I don’t know that it’s as simple as adjusting someone’s minor-league average downward to project major-league numbers. Troy Tulowitzki, for example, hit .291 in his only full minor-league season, but only once in the majors (2008) did he hit below that for a full season. Other things to consider when evaluating a prospect: age relative to the rest of the league and experience relative the rest of the league (a college player in a league with mostly high-school kids, for example, should have better numbers).

  • Miketober | November 1, 2010 | 1:10 pm

    I’m with Rich. Look at Fowler and Iannetta who went down for minor league tune-ups, found their swing, did okay for a little while and regressed again. Chris is a special case because Mgr Tracy benched him after he came back up because his initials weren’t M.O. But when you see this happening over and again PLUS the decline of Hawpe, Helton, Atkins, and Smith you start looking for a common denominator. Steve you make excellent points. But I think DB was a big part of that denominator.